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Balarama Inviata - 26/08/2011 : 17:22:53
ultimamente ho conosciuto una persona che dice di aver evocato dei demoni, esistono inoltre vari libri sull' argomento
non so se crederci il tutto va contro la mia idea della realtà
eppure esistono testimonianze di persone possedute
ma Dio non permetterebbe una cosa simile... potrebbe trattarsi di allucinazioni?
i Maestri non ne parlano anche se Sri Yukteswar descrive i pianeti astrali dove si trovano anche essere "demoniaci"
cosa ne pensate?
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Linda Inviata - 26/04/2012 : 16:19:02
..E soprattutto gli Avatar
Aeglos Inviata - 24/04/2012 : 15:21:49
Citazione:
Originariamente inviato da starkeeper

Citazione:
Al raggiungimento del Nirbikalpa Samadhi, Maya non può più alcuna azione, nei casi da te descritti l'influenza è dovuto alla mancanza del raggiungimento di tale stato evolutivo.


Ho una piccola precisazione da fare.
Raggiunto il Nirbikalpa samadhi si diventa uno "Jivan Mukta" (libero mentre in vita) e non si genera più karma dato che si è costantemente identificati con la coscienza di Dio, vero, ma in questo stato può rimanere del karma residuo del passato da essere estirpato. Una volta che anche questo viene cancellato tutto e completamente, si raggiunge lo stato di "Siddha". Un Siddha che si reincarna sarà un Avatar nella prossima vita, mentre uno Jivan Mukta che si reincarna no, dato che ha ancora un po' di karma passato da bruciare, seppure è libero.

Questa spiegazione è tratta dai numerosi libri di Yogananda. Se qualcuno ha qualcosa da aggiungere è il benvenuto. ;)



Assolutamente preciso e corretto.

La tentazione è sempre confezionata in modo da testare il devoto sul propio piano e livello di sviluppo raggiunti. Sensazioni, pensieri...più avanti sul sentiero anche voci. Fino in ultimo, quando Jivan Mukta, questa forza viene ad oggettivarsi anche materialmente per un ulteriore diretto assalto. Padre Pio, le vessazioni.

Rimane vero tuttavia, come precedentemente accennato e come dimostra l'evidenza che satana attacca e mette alla prova anche gli Avatar.
starkeeper Inviata - 24/04/2012 : 14:52:01
Citazione:
Al raggiungimento del Nirbikalpa Samadhi, Maya non può più alcuna azione, nei casi da te descritti l'influenza è dovuto alla mancanza del raggiungimento di tale stato evolutivo.


Ho una piccola precisazione da fare.
Raggiunto il Nirbikalpa samadhi si diventa uno "Jivan Mukta" (libero mentre in vita) e non si genera più karma dato che si è costantemente identificati con la coscienza di Dio, vero, ma in questo stato può rimanere del karma residuo del passato da essere estirpato. Una volta che anche questo viene cancellato tutto e completamente, si raggiunge lo stato di "Siddha". Un Siddha che si reincarna sarà un Avatar nella prossima vita, mentre uno Jivan Mukta che si reincarna no, dato che ha ancora un po' di karma passato da bruciare, seppure è libero.

Questa spiegazione è tratta dai numerosi libri di Yogananda. Se qualcuno ha qualcosa da aggiungere è il benvenuto. ;)
Aeglos Inviata - 24/04/2012 : 11:12:43
Questo è corretto solo in teoria.
Satana attacca anche chi è completamente realizzato.
Esempio: Yogananda, attaccato fisicamente da satana in forma di animale (gatto) fermandogli il cuore. Salvato da Yukteswar, cioè incapace di opporsi con le sole propie forze. PY ha aveva ottenuto il Nirbikalpa e quindi la liberazione finale molte vite fa, come da lui stesso affermato.

Non era Cristo un maestro completamente realizzato? Satana lo attaccò direttamente nel deserto, provandolo e testandolo ancora. Non aveva forse Gesù raggiunto il Nirbikalpa già da molto tempo?

Cordiali Saluti

Errato !
E' sempre una questione di karma.
Chi è libero dagli effetti del mondo fenomenico non è soggetto alle leggi causa ed effetto (Maya).
Al raggiungimento del Nirbikalpa Samadhi, Maya non può più alcuna azione, nei casi da te descritti l'influenza è dovuto alla mancanza del raggiungimento di tale stato evolutivo.

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Self Realization Fellowship
http://www.yogananda-srf.org/

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Ildegard Inviata - 08/09/2011 : 20:55:35
Caro Giuseppe continua a pregare e non perdere la fede. Io so cosa fare a livello spirituale me lo dice Sri Gyanamata, il fatto è che non so cosa fare con questa persona che comunque è espressione di Dio ma schiacciata da Maya. Questo è il mio dubbio.
giuseppe-g Inviata - 08/09/2011 : 17:16:12
Cara Ildegard e gravissimo questo fatto, io vivo come ripeto con mia moglie e cissà per quanto tempo ancora lei pratica queste cose e sembra che sia caduto gravemente malato da quando pratica la medianità, lei però a differenza di mè a molta piu energia di prima e sta sempre piu meglio, lei e una medium, però medianità, spiritismo, magia nera e tutte queste pratiche come anche il chaneling, sono tutti canali che conducono a la stessa sorgente,quindi ti capisco ed è un grosso guaio che tuo padre sia assistito da questa persona, personalmente non posso darti consigli in merito altrimenti lo avrei già fatto per mè, e il solo pregare non credo che basti, altrimenti avrei già risolto, se come dici ai prove concrete a riguardo di questa donna, magari potresti chiedere alla direzione dell'ospedale di sostituirla con un'altra infermiera.

Oppure parlarne con un prete di tua fiducia che pratichi esorcismi proprio non saprei cosa consigliarti, io stesso ne parlai con un prete e mi diede del matto e invece di capire mè ebbe comprensione solo per lei come dire curnutu e mazziato però con questo non voglio dire che sia lo stesso per tè, oggi la maggior parte delle donne sono attratte da queste forme di falsa spirituelità e noi uomini ne paghiamo lo scotto ti faccio i miei migliori auguri che Dio sia vicino a tè e al tuo papà ciao
Ildegard Inviata - 08/09/2011 : 15:04:18
Prima di tutto ringrazio Ricercatore per la traduzione della lettera di sorella Gyanamata. Inoltre sono intervenuta in questa discussione per chiedervi aiuto e consiglio. Ho mio padre ricoverato presso l'Ospedale della mia città da circa 3 mesi. Oggi mi sono recata a trovarlo e ho constatato, con mia grande angoscia, che una donna che so per certo che è una spiritista ed una che ha pasticciato e, suppongo, pasticci ancora con la magia nera ha preso posto da infermiera in questo ospedale, lei ha creato dolore a parecchie persone. Io ritengo che una persona del genere con gente malata è il caso che non ci stia. Come ci si difende da un pericolo simile? Sono estremamente preoccupata.
n/a Inviata - 06/09/2011 : 12:14:54
n/a Inviata - 06/09/2011 : 12:11:41
giuseppe-g Inviata - 05/09/2011 : 10:27:22
ciao Rick cosa centra questo con il discorso negatività, io non riesco a darmi pace per i problemi che mi assillano e sai quali senza che tutte le volte li elenchi per non annoiare nessuno che poi mi sento dire uffa, rischio di finire in mezzo ad una strada malato e senza neanche il diritto di avere una casa perchè prima ci sono gli extracomunitari e non facciamo finta che non sia vero questa e la realtà sono più avantaggiati di noi, prima il lavoro e la casa per loro e noi siamo gli ultimi a casa nostra ti sembra giusto?, come si può vivere sereni con questi problemi?, io non ci riesco.
giuseppe-g Inviata - 05/09/2011 : 10:10:51
Citazione:
Originariamente inviato da giuseppe-g

Citazione:
Originariamente inviato da Ricercatore

[purple][font=Verdana]Per tutti:

"Nessuno puo' farti sentire infelice se tu non glielo consenti"




giuseppe-g Inviata - 05/09/2011 : 09:52:20
Citazione:
Originariamente inviato da Ricercatore

Per tutti:

"Nessuno puo' farti sentire infelice se tu non glielo consenti"
(Franklin D. Roosevelt)


Ricercatore aka Trovatore

n/a Inviata - 05/09/2011 : 08:31:40
giuseppe-g Inviata - 03/09/2011 : 18:04:14
Citazione:
Originariamente inviato da starkeeper

Se volete a questo link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/q2cvqywmqcth0yi/God%20Alone%20pag%2083-84.zip
potete scaricare lo scan delle due pagine di God Alone di Sri Gyanamata edito dalla Self-realization Fellowship dove c'è la lettera di cui si parla delle entità malvagie. ;)
La pubblicazione essendo per fini didattici e di studio non viola il copyright. :P



non confondete persone negative che si dedicano al male con persone che sono attaccate da negatività che sono due cose diverse, altrimenti fate di un'erba un fascio e così vi rendete ciechi ai problemi altrui , poi se siete in grado di aiutare tali persone bisognose di aiuto questo e dato dal vostro avnanzamento spirituale.

In genenre piu si e vicini a Dio e piu si e attaccati da entità e più le prove sono dure e orribili vedi storia di Santi e non perchè non bisogna essere solo Santi per essere attaccati, o dire che chi non e Santo e solo un pazzo visionario questo tipo di veduta e molto limitata perchè chi può dire cosa caratterizza un Santo le istituzioni religiose? in base a quali canoni non e forse Dio che ci sceglie,
non fatevi ingannare da falsi ragionamenti.
starkeeper Inviata - 03/09/2011 : 15:54:25
Se volete a questo link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/q2cvqywmqcth0yi/God%20Alone%20pag%2083-84.zip
potete scaricare lo scan delle due pagine di God Alone di Sri Gyanamata edito dalla Self-realization Fellowship dove c'è la lettera di cui si parla delle entità malvagie. ;)
La pubblicazione essendo per fini didattici e di studio non viola il copyright. :P
pasqualestabile Inviata - 03/09/2011 : 13:03:26
Spesso sono fisionomista e tendo a riconoscere la natura delle persone dall' aspetto e dai modi di fare...e spesso ci prendo....Quando nel mio lavoro mi trovo ad aver a che fare con persone che emanano negatività, sono sempre indeciso se evitarle come consiglia Guruji o stringere con loro per cercre di aiutarle nelle difficoltà che hanno...
voi cosa fate quando siete a contatto con persone che emanano negatività?
Ildegard Inviata - 01/09/2011 : 19:16:43
sono assolutamente d'accordo, una volta ho dovuto dissuadere una intera classe scolastica che avevo scoperto a fare queste cosacce, chissà perché i ragazzi sono così attratti da queste pericolosissime e, aggiungo, immorali cose?
starkeeper Inviata - 01/09/2011 : 16:01:27
Se volete la pagina, la lettera è a pag 83 di God alone.

Evitate assolutamente persone che fanno sedute spiritiche o sedute spiritiche. E' il modo principale per avere problemi di questo tipo.
starkeeper Inviata - 31/08/2011 : 19:48:14
No, c'è solo il libro in inglese.
pasqualestabile Inviata - 31/08/2011 : 04:59:02
c'è una versione in italiano?un link di riferimento?
Ildegard Inviata - 30/08/2011 : 11:17:18
Questa dritta, caro Starkeeper, la trovo molto interessante, adesso cerco "God alone", grazie....
starkeeper Inviata - 28/08/2011 : 15:43:43
Nel libro di Gyanamata "God alone" ci sta una lettera che scrive ad una signora con dei consigli per scacciare cattive presenze astrali. ;)

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